★ wanayoo — archive 1999 http://www.linuxsecurity.com/articles/forums_article-2525.htmlNouvelle recherche | Portail wanayoo
Advertise Here

   
Documentation
Security Sources
Forums
Firewalls
Host Security
Cryptography
Network Security
Intrusion Detection
Organizations/Events
Server Security
Vendors/Products
Projects
General
Privacy
Government
Hacks/Cracks
 
News: Forums 2/16/2001 17:16

Tatu Ylonen Comments on SSH Trademark

By Tatu Ylonen
Posted By: Dave Wreski
2/16/2001

I'd like to address several issues raised by people in relation to my notice of the ssh(R) trademark to the OpenSSH group. Also, I would like to make a proposal to the community for resolving this issue (included at the end).
 
 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:51:06 +0200
 From: Tatu Ylonen 
 To: ietf-ssh@clinet.fi, ssh@clinet.fi, openssh-unix-dev@mindrot.org
 Subject: ssh(R) trademark issues: comments and proposal
 
 I'd like to address several issues raised by people in relation to my
 notice of the ssh(R) trademark to the OpenSSH group.  Also, I would
 like to make a proposal to the community for resolving this issue
 (included at the end).
 
 First, I'll answer a number of questions and arguments presented in
 the discussion.
 
 > "the SSH Corp trademark registration in the US is for a logo only"
 
 It is for the lowercase word "ssh" (I was mistaken earlier in saying
 that it was for the uppercase word "SSH").  As many people obviously
 know, trademark registrations in the USA are a matter of public record
 and it is open to anyone to review the details of SSH Corp's trademark
 portfolio.
 
 Under US law, a trademark registration entitles the owner to exclusive
 use of the trademark as it is registered, in relation to the goods
 and/or services for which it is registered. Trademark infringement
 occurs when another person uses the same, or a substantially identical
 mark, for the same or related goods or services, in a manner which is
 likely to cause consumer confusion.  Consequently, use of the
 uppercase word "SSH" or a name containing the "ssh" or "SSH" mark will
 likely amount to trademark infringement under US law, if it is in
 relation to goods or services within the same field of use covered by
 our ssh(R) trademark.  Of course, there are many possible
 non-infringing uses of "SSH", for example, anyone might have a brand
 of chocolade called "SSH".
 
 > "A license was granted in 1995 that allows free use of the trademarks"
 
 This is not accurate, but refers to the following language in
 ssh-1.2.12 COPYING file:
 
    As far as I am concerned, the code I have written for this software
    can be used freely for any purpose.  Any derived versions of this
    software must be clearly marked as such, and if the derived work is
    incompatible with the protocol description in the RFC file, it must be
    called by a name other than "ssh" or "Secure Shell".
 
 First, this is a copyright license ("the CODE can be used..."), with an
 additional restriction on naming.  It is not a trademark license.
 
 Also, this text is from the COPYING file from ssh-1.2.12, dated Nov
 17, 1995.  The trademark claims were made in 1996 (ssh-1.2.13 was the
 first release claiming them, released on Feb 11, 1996), and this
 license provision would not have covered them anyway.  Ever since, our
 policy has been not to allow unauthorized use of the trademarks.  The
 trademark claims have been made consistently in every release ever
 since.
 
 > "no-one has ever been notified of infringement"
 
 For example, I notified Van Dyke of the trademark a few years ago when
 they used the SSH mark on their web site inappropriately.  We
 discussed it, they were very co-operative, and immediately added
 trademark markings and acknowledgement on their website.  Issue
 solved.  (They were not using it in a product name.)
 
 Basically, anyone we have ever really encountered in the marketplace 
 has either been notified or is a licensee of ours.
 
 > "F-Secure SSH has been using the name for years"
 
 F-Secure (formerly Data Fellows) is our distributor/VAR, and they are
 using the SSH trademark in their product name under a separate written
 trademark license agreement.  All of the F-Secure SSH products are SSH
 Communication Security Corp's products, some verbatim and some with
 modifications by F-Secure.
 
 > (reference to FiSSH, TTSSH, Top Gun ssh, etc.)
 
 These are all non-commercial academic projects made at universities.
 We have never really encountered any one of these in the marketplace.
 
 We have tried to notify commercial people who have been using the
 trademark inappropriately.  OpenSSH was the first non-commercial
 implementation to raise to the radar screen.
 
 > "why did you notify OpenSSH now"
 
 The reason OpenSSH was contacted now was that they have only become
 more visible during the last months, and I have recently seen a
 significant increase in e-mails confusing the meaning of the SSH
 trademarks and using them inappropriately.  I have also recently
 received quite a few e-mails confusing OpenSSH as my product.
 
 > "how about the 'ssh' command name under Unix/Linux?"
 
 This relates to the proposal I want to make.
 
 Basically, I am willing to work out a way that will allow anyone to use
 the "ssh" command name on Unix/Linux.  It appears that there are
 ways to do it without exposing our trademarks to unnecessary risk.
 
 The arrangement I am proposing would be as follows.
 
   - We (SSH Corp) would allow the use of "ssh" (and sshd, etc) as a  
     command name on Unix/Linux under the following restrictions:
 
       - Any product where the command name "ssh" is used must only be
         licensed under a valid license (i.e., must not be in the
         public domain).  E.g. BSD license, GPL, and normal commercial
         licenses would all be ok.
         
       - An acknowledgement of our ownership of the ssh(R) and Secure
         Shell(TM) trademarks must be included in the software (help
         text, documentation, license).  It would not need to be
         printed out every time the program is normally run, but would
         need to be included in e.g. in an appropriate place on man
         pages and in help texts.
 
       - The SSH Corp trademarks cannot be used in product names
         without a separate trademark license from us (which we would
         not normally grant, unless we see a valid business case for
         it, and then only for products using a compatible protocol).
 
   - A new unencumbered name is created for the protocol, which can be
     used by any vendor without creating confusion.  The IETF standard
     would be renamed to use the new protocol name, and the community
     would work to cease using "SSH" as a protocol name and would
     instead start using the new name.  The new name would need to be
     unencumbered, and the xx.com, xx.net, and xx.org domain names
     would be made to permanently point to e.g. the IETF main page.  My
     own proposal would be to change the name to SECSH, provided that
     Van Dyke is willing to contribute their currently unused secsh.com
     domain name for this purpose.  We would be willing to contribute
     our secsh.org and secsh.net domains on the same basis.
 
   - We would submit an official statement to the IETF that we will make no
     trademark claims about the "bits on the wire" in the protocol (e.g.,
     the protocol version strings or the various names used in the
     protocol).
 
   - We would need to reach agreement with the OpenSSH group to change
     their product name and to otherwise cease using the SSH
     trademarks inappropriately.  We appreciate that some people have
     brought the non-commercial university group use to our attention.
     We are carefully reviewing this situation.
 
 Let's discuss the exact terms if I get a preliminary "ok, looks fine,
 let's try to get this resolved along those lines" from the community
 and the relevant parties.
         
 Please let us know what you think.
         
 Best regards,
         
     Tatu Ylonen
     Chairman and CTO, SSH Communications Security Corp
         
 PS.  For reference, if someone hasn't seen it yet, I'll include my
 original e-mail to the OpenSSH mailing list.
 
 >>From ylo Wed Feb 14 03:36:19 +0200 2001
 From: Tatu Ylonen 
 To: openssh-unix-dev@mindrot.org
 Subject: SSH trademarks and the OpenSSH product name
 Organization: SSH Communications Security, Finland
 
 Friends,
 
 Sorry to write this to a developer mailing list.  I have already
 approached some OpenSSH/OpenBSD core members on this, including Markus
 Friedl, Theo de Raadt, and Niels Provos, but they have chosen not to
 bring the issue up on the mailing list.  I am not aware of any other
 forum where I would reach the OpenSSH developers, so I will post this
 here.
 
 As you know, I have been using the SSH trademark as the brand name of
 my SSH (Secure Shell) secure remote login product and related
 technology ever since I released the first version in July 1995.  I
 have explicitly claimed them as trademarks at least from early 1996.
 
 In December 1995, I started SSH Communications Security Corp to
 support and further develop the SSH (Secure Shell) secure remote login
 products and to develop other network security solutions (especially
 in the IPSEC and PKI areas).  SSH Communications Security Corp is now
 publicly listed in the Helsinki Exchange, employs 180 people working
 in various areas of cryptographic network security, and our products
 are distributed directly and indirectly by hundreds of licensed
 distributors and OEMs worldwide using the SSH brand name.  There are
 several million users of products that we have licensed under the
 SSH brand.
 
 To protect the SSH trademark I (or SSH Communications Security Corp,
 to be more accurate) registered the SSH mark in the United States and
 European Union in 1996 (others pending).  We also have a registration
 pending on the Secure Shell mark.
 
 The SSH mark is a significant asset of SSH Communications Security and
 the company strives to protect its valuable rights in the SSH® name
 and mark.  SSH Communications Security has made a substantial
 investment in time and money in its SSH mark, such that end users have
 come to recognize that the mark represents SSH Communications Security
 as the source of the high quality products offered under the mark.
 This resulting goodwill is of vital importance to SSH Communications
 Security Corp.
 
 We have also been distributing free versions of SSH Secure Shell under
 the SSH brand since 1995.  The latest version, ssh-2.4.0, is free for
 any use on the Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD operating systems,
 as well as for universities and charity organizations, and for
 personal hobby/recreational use by individuals.
 
 We have been including trademark markings in SSH distributions, on the
 www.ssh.fi, www.ssh.com, and www.ssh.org web sites, IETF standards
 documents, license/readme files and product packaging long before the
 OpenSSH group was formed.  Accordingly, we would like you to
 understand the importance of the SSH mark to us, and, by necessity,
 our need to protect the trademark against the unauthorized use by
 others.
 
 Many of you are (and the initiators of the OpenSSH group certainly
 should have been) well aware of the existence of the trademark.  Some
 of the OpenBSD/OpenSSH developers/sponsors have also received a formal
 legal notice about the infringement earlier.
 
 I have started receiving a significant amount of e-mail where people
 are confusing OpenSSH as either my product or my company's product, or
 are confusing or misrepresenting the meaning of the SSH and Secure
 Shell trademarks.  I have also been informed of several recent press
 articles and outright advertisements that are further confusing the
 origin and meaning of the trademark.
 
 The confusion is made even worse by the fact that OpenSSH is also a
 derivative of my original SSH Secure Shell product, and it still looks
 very much like my product (without my approval for any of it, by the
 way).  The old SSH1 protocol and implementation are known to have
 fundamental security problems, some of which have been described in
 recent CERT vulnerability notices and various conference papers.
 OpenSSH is doing a disservice to the whole Internet security community
 by lengthing the life cycle of the fundamentally broken SSH1
 protocols.
 
 The use of the SSH trademark by OpenSSH is in violation of my
 company's intellectual property rights, and is causing me, my company,
 our licensees, and our products considerable financial and other
 damage.
 
 I would thus like to ask you to change the name OpenSSH to something
 else that doesn't infringe the SSH or Secure Shell trademarks,
 basically to something that is clearly different and doesn't cause
 confusion.
 
 Also, please understand that I have nothing against independent
 implementations of the SSH Secure Shell protocols.  I started and
 fully support the IETF SECSH working group in its standardization
 efforts, and we have offered certain licenses to use the SSH mark to
 refer to the protocol and to indicate that a product complies with the
 standard.  Anyone can implement the IETF SECSH working group standard
 without requiring any special licenses from us.  It is the use of the
 "SSH" and "Secure Shell" trademarks in product names or in otherwise
 confusing manner that we wish to prevent.
 
 Please also try to look at this from my viewpoint.  I developed SSH
 (Secure Shell), started using the name for it, established a company
 using the name, all of our products are marketed using the SSH brand,
 and we have created a fairly widely known global brand using the name.
 Unauthorized use of the SSH mark by the OpenSSH group is threathening
 to destroy everything I have built on it during the last several
 years.  I want to be able to continue using the SSH and Secure Shell
 names as identifying my own and my company's products and
 technologies, which the unlawful use of the SSH name by OpenSSH is
 making very hard.
 
 Therefore, I am asking you to please choose another name for the
 OpenSSH product and stop using the SSH mark in your product name and
 in otherwise confusing manner.
 
 Regards,
 
     Tatu Ylonen
 
 SSH Communications Security           http://www.ssh.com/
 SSH IPSEC Toolkit                     http://www.ipsec.com/
 SSH(R) Secure Shell(TM)               http://www.ssh.com/products/ssh
 

Cryptography in Your Pocket
Feb 21

Attrition statement on NY Times defacement greeting
Feb 21

lcrzo and lcrzoex Version 3.03
Feb 21

Is your web server running unnecessary software?
Feb 21

Net anonymity firms seek their market
Feb 21

Unbreakable Code Said To Leave Hackers 'Helpless'
Feb 20

Win2000: A Security Milestone -- with a Mile More to Go
Feb 20

Contact Us | Legal Notice | About Our Site
© Guardian Digital, Inc., 2000